Bonds

Thinking about Barry this morning. I think there are three things that can happen to him:

-Jail.

-Loses his records…baseball erases or does something with his stats.

-He doesn’t get voted into the Hall of Fame.

This is the main one for me. We have no say on the first two, but the voters have a say on the Hall of Fame. I think he still gets in. Do you…why or why not?

21 Responses

  1. Hello Dan,
    Barry Bonds is a Hall of Fame baseball player with or without performance enhancing drugs. I am saddened that he has made the choices he has. He should be in the Hall of Fame, but just like with Pete Rose, there must be several lines of subtext underneath is name there.

  2. Oh come on. Bonds has virtually all but admitted to using steroids or performance enhancing supplements. After reading through the 10 pages of the indictment, I realized one big thing when Barry Bonds spoke. It was either a “No, not knowing” or “never knowingly.” He never really ever said “I never used steroids.” It was more of well – he might have given me some to take, but I didn’t ask questions so what I don’t know doesn’t hurt me!

    For that simple fact, that he took steroids period – its not so much a question of whether he was involved in discussions about it or not (we won’t know that unless people talk) – he should never be admitted into the hall. He used drugs to make himself a better player, and that is why he should never be voted in.

  3. I think it’s too soon to say what Bonds’ HOF chances are. Yesterday I figured he’d be a shoo-in, although maybe not a first-ballot. Today, I’m not so sure. What if he is convicted and faces prison time? Could baseball suspend him for life ala Rose? I have a hard time thinking most sports writers would vote this guy into the HOF if convicted. He’d not only be a confirmed a-hole, but a confirmed cheater. Confirmed cheaters have no place in Cooperstown. If Bonds ever does get voted in, it should only be after a confession. I won’t hold my breath.

  4. Bonds will probably make it into the HOF because of the taint on the whole era. Because the voters will realize that either Bonds goes in or no one from the era really belongs.

    If Bonds doesn’t get in, he won’t fight and claw to “try and clear his name” the way Rose has fought to get back into baseball. Because he won’t fight it, we won’t be endlessly deluged with stories about “the best player not in the HOF.” That, for all our sakes, will be a relief.

    Lastly, even if Bonds doesn’t get in, at least his ball will be there. But if he does get into the HOF, will the ball go to Greg Anderson?

    Erik

  5. I agree with Erik – Bonds may make it into the Hall only because of baseball’s inablility or unwillingness to properly address the steroid issue. Then again, if one were to tackle this problem, where would one truly begin? It makes the head spin.

    I also agree with Erik that he will not fight to get into the HOF.

    And with the indictment, will this have a factor after all on how the ball will be displayed?

    Lastly, interesting that there hasn’t been an update in a while to barrybonds.com……

    Peace.

  6. Barry has the same thing President Clinton had going on back in his heyday. Clinton wasn’t going through impreachment proceedings because he got a hummer from Monica, and Barry isn’t going to jail because he took steroids. They both got in trouble because they both lied while under oath to a grand jury. because of that, how can he lose his records? If he does, doesn’t anyone playing in this era have to as well? Barry was never officially penalized for doing steroids, and he isn’t now. He’s being penalized for lying.

    The owners and commissioner are the ones to point a finger at for the whole steroids problem in baseball. When the strike occurred, this issue was never addressed because the owners wanted the players on the field. They turned a blind eye on the problem, so it was never corrected. I find it horribly ironic that Bud Selig can make proclamations about the horrors of steroids, yet he is one the culprits in regards to the problems it has inflicted on baseball. He’s just as guilty as the players who took the stuff.

  7. Unfortunately this whole argument is tainted by the “racial” undertones. It won’t come down to homeruns or performance enhancing drugs. If he gets in it’s because it’s good for baseball’s African American image. If he doesn’t get in, it’s because of his race. Stephen A and co. have already set this in motion. It’s sad, because I really believe race should be left out of it.

  8. Wish you would have picked a better topic for today. Sick of the constant recycled negative crap about an asshole. Today would have been great to hear about Joe Nuxhall and all the positives about him from a man that grew up maybe seeing him play and listening to him on the radio. I am sure being the radio guy you are, or once were, he had to have some inspiration on your life.

  9. There’s got to a more interesting sport story out there, isn’t there?

  10. Jeff and Mario are dead on. This is a useless waste of time and energy; but, being that it is the news involving a superstar in a sport, it then effects the culture of that sport making it a relevant topic of discussion.

    Bonds is nothing more than Tonya Harding in a different sports arena.

    Admittedly, Tonya hasn’t achieved anything in her lifetime, and Bonds was HOF material even without drugs, back when his cap size was 3 sizes smaller and his weight was 50 lbs lighter. Cooperstown is nothing more than the White House of sport. It is an institution full of corruption and cultural renegades that have shaped an industry and a people. While we celebrate the role models, immortal acheivers, and magnificent performances of those playing the “game” of baseball – it is and always will be a showcase of our times as a people.

    Where is David Halberstam when we need him more than ever? Unfortunately, his opinion matters in this time and we will never know his perspectivve; God rest his soul.

    Barry Bonds represents our times in sport. He was a galvanizing focal point of all that is wrong with the instituion of sport. He does not embody what was good about baseball, but rather what was a part of baseball. He doesn’t need to be a part of the class of HOF players enshrined for dubious achievement as much as he needs to be mentioned for his corruption of it. Like Pete Rose, he was gifted on the field. And like Pete Rose, he did not embody the concept of Sport in its purest sense. And that “sense” is what the Hall of Fame should represent. Not numbers and personal statistics alone. This is the HALL of fame for Baseball Sportsman who achieved statistical greatness on a championship level of fair play. Anyone who is in this fraternity that did not walk through those portals should never have been admitted. The HOF is about to be transformed into a Gallery of rogue figures masquerading as Baseball sportsman. To the writers and voters I warn: Be careful what you vote for.

    Wishful thinking? Yes. Reality? No.

    Major League Baseball has problems. Sport has problems. It is time to recognize what is good about baseball instead of dignifying a man, and nameless others, who corrupted it. The HOF is an honor you earn. Not a place your achievements take you. Bonds has not earned it. Neither has Rose. Both corrupted their place in the process.

  11. Bonds was a first ballot HOF player before the steroids issue
    ever came up. He’s in. People have made Bonds the poster
    child for the steroids era, and that’s fine. However, unless
    every player is exposed and their records and achievements
    are stricken from the record books, you can’t treat Bonds one way and other players another. Like him or not, as far as the HOF is concerned, you have to take Bonds’ career as a 20 year whole, not just the last 5.

  12. I am sure you mean Barry Bonds was a first ballot Hall of Famer before he ever took steroids, right Brian? The statement “before the steroids issue came up” doesn’t justify it because whether or not there was issue, doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening. Either way, I agree that Bonds was a first ballot HOFer before we ever expected him of taking steriods. In the early 90s, I thought he was underrated even.
    But the fact is, if baseball is serious about cleaning up the league, they need to make an example of the biggest name in the sport, who happens to be the man who holds the biggest record in all of sports. Yes, there are many others who have used steriods, but none have achieved records close to Bonds (yet). So, making an example of Bonds is exactly what needs to be done. The best way to do it is to keep him out of the Hall. Otherwise, soon no one will take baseball seriously.
    Jail time won’t do anything, he is not a criminal by nature. He did break the law, but the issue to me is more about tarnishing the sport of baseball.
    Rose’s record is still there. No asterisk. But no Hall. Keep Bonds out too.

  13. The old left-hander has rounded third and is home. God Bless Joe.

  14. I would love to say that we could erase Barry from all records and ban him from baseball. However it seems like a slippery slope. Where would this line stop? Many more players have done the same thing.
    With that said I don’t agree with the people who state that Barry was a first ballot HOF before steroids, because we will never know. We can only argue what we know.

  15. Simple: No Bonds in the hall.

    I also advocate erasing his record and letting him become a cautionary tale under the biographies in the kids’ section at Barnes & Noble.

    And I wouldn’t mind if he went to jail. As a habitual drug user. To become the cellwife of a guy named Bruno.

    You may have guessed I don’t like the boy.

  16. To those who say Barry was a first ballot HOFer before the ‘roids I ask how can you speculate on that? In 10 years 500 HRs will be no big deal. Additionally, who is to say when he actually started taking the juice? The answer is no one knows and since we don’t you can’t say he was a HOFer before the needle.

    I can’t see how you take away his stats, but leave other records intact of those who have been caught red fingered eg Raffy Palmero — 500 HRs, 3000 hits. If you take away his, than take them all, which they’ll never do.

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  17. Dan, What did Selig and baseball think when Canseco and other baseball players were getting bigger than football players. Why arent we asking Selig, Frank Robinson and other baseball execs and GMs. Baseball exexs should be investigated. Bob

  18. 1) No jail time. (With proper representation it should and will be argued that the suggested samples were not kept in a controlled chain of possession, thereby, there is no way to guarantee their integrity in a legal sense which would eliminate them as evidence. The perjury charges and also the obstruction charges will already be hard enough to prove without this defense by Bonds lawyers. The case will be heard in San Francisco, based mostly at that point on circumstantial evidence, with a local jury of his peers, who, having been enamored with him for over 15 years now, entrench him almost automatically in the fabric of their everyday lives. It would be prudent to expect sympathy for him from them).

    2) This point will be a very touchy subject after Bonds is found not guilty in a court of law. I will venture to guess that if Baseball decides to attempt to alter any of his stats after he was found to be innocent of the charges against him, his attorney would be more than happy to file a mega complaint alleging all sorts of monstrosities, etc.

    3) Personal opinions aside about his apparent lack of social skills, Bonds deserves to be in the hall the same as others who have been as deserving but who have also faltered as we all have at some point in time.

  19. He deserves to be in the Hall Of Fame.

    Sadly, he will not make it because the voting body will collude to keep him out. Everybody wants a scapegoat for the whole steroid-era and, unfortunately, he’s IT.

    As far as jail, I’m sure the feds wouldn’t have come for him if they didn’t have a case. We’ll see.

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